President Joe Biden's Build Back Better plan proposes billions of dollars in funding to make two years of community college free for all students, regardless of family income.

On this podcast, students discuss the proposal—plus the challenges of transferring to a four-year institution to obtain a bachelor's degree. Mark Huelsman of the Hope Center for College, Community, and Justice joins the conversation with his thoughts on affordability and access.

Higher education was transformed in the 19th and 20th centuries to meet the needs of an emerging national, analog, industrial economy. Today, higher education is again being transformed—this time to serve the needs of a global, digital, knowledge economy.

People fundamentally disagree, however, about what form that transformation will take.