I hope we can all agree on one thing about the upcoming US election: It would be great if foreign state actors stayed out of it. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen.

When it comes to cybersecurity, intelligence expert Karim Hijazi says the election is not “under control.” All the usual suspects—Russia, China, Iran—plus “hackers for hire” are busy meddling in the election. Their goal isn’t necessarily to tilt the scales in favor of one candidate or party, but to sow political and social discord, thus weakening the US as a whole.

Karim says these are the same players driving intellectual property theft, financial system attacks, and other cyber manipulations.

Karim, as you might recall from his last visit to Global Macro Update, is the founder and CEO of cybersecurity firm Vigilocity. I was introduced to him through Renè Aninao of CORBŪ, and he joined Renè’s panel at our Strategic Investment Conference.

In today’s interview, Karim explains how the US could further minimize election interference and weed out espionage. He believes we rely too heavily on technology (surprising to hear from a tech guy) and that we would benefit from better human intelligence. Or as I put it, returning to old-school spies on the ground.

We also dig into quantum computing’s impact on cybersecurity. Many of you know I believe quantum is “the next big thing.” Karim seems to agree, and he outlines the massive challenges quantum will pose to any system that relies on encryption, including cryptocurrencies.

Watch my interview with Karim by clicking the image above. A full transcript of our conversation is available here.

Thanks for reading and watching.