Takeaways From My Conversation With Chris Larsen, Co-Founder of Ripple

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There was a new ESG campaign launched earlier this week called “Change the Code, Not the Climate.” The goal was to bring awareness to bitcoin’s proof-of-work consensus mechanism, along with a perceived negative environmental impact from the perspective of the campaign creators.

As part of the awareness effort, Ripple co-founder and Executive Chairman Chris Larsen provided $5 million to run campaign advertising across various media outlets. It should be no surprise to anyone reading this that I disagree with the conclusion of this ESG campaign, but I felt it would be important to have a conversation with Chris. While we may disagree on his perspective of bitcoin and proof-of-work, there are plenty of things that we agree on as well.

You can listen to the podcast episode on iTunes or Spotify. I want to spend the rest of our time today discussing my takeaways from the conversation.

To start, this was the first time that I have spoken to Chris Larsen. He seems like a nice guy who genuinely cares about the environment. You have to respect the fact that Chris was willing to come on the podcast to discuss controversial topics with me, especially since it is clear that we vehemently disagree.

Second, both Chris and I have major skin in the game. He has majority of his net worth in crypto, with almost all of it being in XRP, and I have the majority of mine in bitcoin. Chris has also spent nearly $100 million on climate-related issues in the last few years. Some people will say that we are both biased, which could be a fair critique, but the counter-argument is that we both believe deeply in our perspective.

Next, there are two major themes that Chris and I agree on. The first is that a decentralized, digital currency is highly valuable to the world and has the potential to solve a number of global issues. The second is that the free market will always be the referee on winners and losers, regardless of any of our personal opinions.

These two themes are important to call out because they highlight that it is possible to agree with someone on high level ideas, but disagree on the nuance and details. Additionally, the market has deemed bitcoin to be the world’s most valuable digital currency and places a premium on the most popular proof-of-work consensus mechanism.

Next, Chris’ concerns around proof-of-work appear to be rooted in a lack of understanding about what the energy consumption of bitcoin is today. During our conversation, he cites the Cambridge study on bitcoin mining numerous times. When I bring up that Cambridge and the Bitcoin Mining Council both estimate that ~ 66% of bitcoin mining energy consumption comes from renewables, he then says he doesn’t believe that number. For comparison, the United States uses 20% or less renewables as part of the entire country’s energy consumption, so the bitcoin miners are 3x higher than the United States in terms of percentage coming from renewables.

Along these lines, Chris appears to not understand that bitcoin does not have a linear relationship between price and energy consumption. He kept mentioning that bitcoin’s energy consumption increased 10x in the last 5 years, but didn’t want to acknowledge that bitcoin’s price appreciated 4,300% in the same time frame. If we extrapolate this forward, bitcoin’s price would have to cross over $2 million for bitcoin’s energy consumption to increase 10x again.

If this wasn’t enough, Chris also claims that bitcoin mining will consume 4% of global energy production in the future. It is estimated that it costs $200 billion to purchase ~ 0.9% of the global energy production ($0.126 per kWh). This means that miners would have to receive $800 billion in revenue from the block reward and transaction fees, and then spend 100% of the money on power consumption (not to include the cost of facilities or machines), and then they could purchase 4% of global power production.

For comparison, bitcoin miners are making about $45 million per day right now, which comes out to a little less than $16.5 billion per year. This means that bitcoin would have to increase in price to $2.3 million per bitcoin, without any halving to the block reward, and then bitcoin miners would have enough money to purchase this amount of energy. In other words, the claim of 4% of global power consumption is either horrendous math or a disingenuous claim to create fear and outrage.

Another interesting point from the conversation was when I asked Chris about the funding for bitcoin mining critiques. Multiple times I asked whether Chris, Ripple execs, or Ripple’s corporate entity was funding, or had funded, these prior critiques. Chris wouldn’t answer and kept dodging the question. I don’t want to make assumptions, but if the answer was “no” then I would think that it would be easy to say that. The lack of transparency around Ripple, Chris, and other executives’ funding of proof-of-work critiques is concerning.

Next, I asked Chris why he wasn’t advocating for the US dollar to become more green, especially since it is much more popular, and consumes much more energy, than bitcoin. He didn’t seem to have a good answer here.

Lastly, I asked Chris why he was spending money on an awareness campaign, rather than simply forking the bitcoin code and allowing the free market to decide the winning architecture. His answer was that he didn’t know the right technical structure to create to solve his environmental concerns, which I believe is his genuine perspective. It is clear that I don’t know the technical architecture that is better than proof-of-work either, so it feels like identifying a potential problem without a suggested solution is less than ideal.

My motto of “compete, don’t complain” is applicable here. A fork of the code would settle this debate in a fairly efficient manner.

Now I want to make something clear — Chris was kind, articulate, and intelligent. You don’t get to his level of success without being a good entrepreneur. It was great to establish the common ground, especially the things that we agree on, but still have a straightforward conversation about the details that we disagree on.

The world could use more nuanced conversation between people who disagree.

With that said, I think that Chris and the rest of the “Change the Code, Not the Climate” campaign know that there is a 0% chance that they will be successful. This entire campaign appears to be aimed at creating controversy and potential concerns, rather than actually putting forward potential solutions. Not only will the bitcoin miners and developers not agree to any change, but the node operators will reject any change to the consensus mechanism as well.

The market has deemed bitcoin the single most valuable cryptocurrency in the world. It is the most decentralized and the most secure. Every cryptocurrency that received a level of popularity, but did not leverage proof-of-work, has eventually fallen behind in terms of market cap and/or Coinmarketcap rankings.

I appreciate Chris’ appeal to innovators and entrepreneurs. Like him, I believe this group can solve global problems. Bitcoin is that solution though. Proof-of-work is essential to the network’s security and any move away from this consensus mechanism would jeopardize security and value.

But as Chris and I agreed on at the beginning of the conversation, the free market will be the ultimate judge. So far, bitcoin is winning. Only time will tell what happens in the future.

I want to extend a big thank you to Chris. He has my utmost respect for his willingness to engage in the conversation. Hope everyone has a great day. I’ll talk to you tomorrow.

-Pomp

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Chris Larsen is the Co-founder & Executive Chairman of Ripple.

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