Ursus Magana and Raf Luzy are two of the three principals at 25/7 Media, which represents 58 acts and has 27 employees. Ursus was profiled in the "Wired" article entitled: "Watch This Guy Work, and You'll Finally Understand the TikTok Era." These two are experts in social media, in breaking acts, you'll want to listen, definitely.

www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-the-bob-lefsetz-podcast-30806836/episode/ursus-magana-and-raf-luzy-133651578/

podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ursus-magana-and-raf-luzy/id1316200737?i=1000637796893

open.spotify.com/episode/1ZU6TFeoBGuO98SoPlHjSw?si=nE4DEOe7Tu6clv41QlI_RA

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